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You got some news about the death of Warren Zevon I haven't heard about? Cos AFAIK he ain't dead. Ahhhhwwwoooowwwww Mintguy

Thanks for the kind words, Toker. -- Zoe

Oops, I re-created Talk:List of year in MTV while replying to it... sorry for the mistake, but this concurrent editing sometimes has a life of its own! :-) At18 19:48 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC) rg

Didn't give us much of a chance to earn the coolness points, did you? --TWFKAKQ when he's logged out.

Aaw, I'll give 'em to you anyway. You are now tied with Jerry Gladden of Eugene, Oregon and Caroline O'Rhea of Dublin, Ireland. Congrats. Tuf-Kat
Wow! I can't wait to cash these in. You do cash them in somewhere, right? Oh wait, I'm only up to -22 now.  ;-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Hello TUF-KAT welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the ... oh wait. --mav

Even fluorescent brown? I'm not entering unless there's a fluorescent brown.... Well, maybe if you have one that's octarine. Koyaanis Qatsi

Hey, does this new name mean you no longer care if I met Timothy Leary? Danny

I don't know about solving world hunger or Dubya, but I can certainly move over your watchlist, contribs, and sysop status. I'll get right on that perpetual motion machine too... ;) --Brion 08:01 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, your watchlist and sysop status are moved over. I'll fix your edit attributions after backing up the database. --Brion 08:52 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)
Reattributed your previous edits to the new account. --Brion 21:07 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

I'm surprised anyone found your usernic offensive. The only names that realistically could be judged as offensive are those that explicitly mocked beliefs, sexuality, race or gender. I certainly wouldn't worry about DW: I think he needs his head examined. As for your taste in what you smoke, no big deal. I have dabbled there myself, but because I have epilepsy I can't do so again, as it can counteract anti-epilepsy tablets and bring on fits. I'm restricted to 'straight' tobacco these days!!! JTD 20:18 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

*raises hand* I must admit that I didn't like it, actually. I just never said anything because I didn't want to cause a fuss... Anyway, Mr. KAT, I commend your decision to respect the sensibilities of whoever it was that e-mailed you, and of course of those who think it makes the place look more professional now! -- Oliver P., uncool and proud of it. :)

AAAAGH. YOU are going to HAVE to change that name!!! Everytime I see it, I suddenly hear the theme tune from the cartoon 'Top Cat' blaring in my head. *big big smile* JTD 08:24 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, Toker, can you do me a favor? Email me.

What happened to Stevertigo? Koyaanis Qatsi 01:00 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)
Hm, ok then. thanks.... Koyaanis Qatsi

Thanks TUF, - and I disagree with JTD - your new name reminds me of TUFF-SHED, not Top Cat. -Vertigo

Oh. Heh. missed the intro paragraph (trust me, I was *not* trying to give that film pride of place--actually I think it's clumsy & ham-handed). Koyaanis Qatsi

Well, the Dude does mention an occasional acid flashback.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Thanks for setting an example of self-sacrifice. It's not easy to give up a name. --Uncle Ed 21:18 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

--- About the Wagner thing, I really don't care what link is there, but I do find it a little disturbing to follow Clutch's link: I'm not sure this is the kind of site we want to link to for NPOV articles. Danny 03:28 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Like I said, I don't really care either way. Danny 03:38 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Changed my mind. The site he is linking to is a White Power site. Check out Yggdrasil. Danny

And I went out on a prairie, and as far as I could see // was nobody on that prairie that looked like me

-- Langston Hughes & Taj Mahal
And the sad thing, is scanning those sites, is that whatever truth is in is marginalized - rarely dealt with as an issue elsewhere; thus these issues are left to racists, or quasiracists - I frankly don't those people as being much different than any other ethnocentrists anywhere, except that they have coordinated color-schemes. That site by the way seems to tow a very slick line - the high road to racism, as it were.
Close associations, indeed, there are racists at every family reunion. How many times has Billy Graham slept in the Lincoln bedroom? -'Vert

Exactly - the tricky part is when people use the rhetorical codewords of race to maintain certain ethnic divisions, while trying to grease others - all intent on keeping people down of course.. [1] (halfway down) -'Vert

Hi TK, I don't think changing the word 'with' to 'on' on the [UN . . . Iraq] page solves the problem. on and with are both used, the former by anti-war people, the latter by pro-war people. So we have just moved one POV and replaced it for another. I've another suggestion: instead call it ' The UN Security Council and the proposed Iraq war'. That way you avoid any hint of bias, by dropping all words that could be seen as in any way expressing a POV and instead calling it a term that all sides would be able to use: the Proposed Iraq War. What do you think? JTD 00:38 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Toke, do you mind, freezing the Jewish ethnocentrism article? Edit war going nowhere... -'Vert

Eh, but he is an American from South Africa.  ;-)

An excellent point... reminds me of a conversation with a friend of mine who said something about African-Americans being taken as slaves, and it took him a minute to realize they weren't African-American until they got to America. Tuf-Kat

That reminds me of the story of a US journalist from a network that banned the word 'black' as politically incorrect. She wanted to ask Nelson Mandela the sort of discrimination he had experienced as a black man in apartheid South Africa. But could not say black. And definitely couldn't say coloured. So ended up saying "What sort of discrimination did you experience as an . . . em . . . African-American in South Africa?" Mandela looked at her in disbelief, then burst into a fit of laughter that lasted most of the interview! JTD 02:22 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I'm so glad you fixed that. Been bugging me for weeks (I added Huey P. Newton, for example). Somehow I didn't have the guts to speak plainly. I wonder sometimes why they don't list Marx Bros as black--after all, they promoted black musicians in their movies.
Thanks, Arthur 02:26 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC) --- :)

Its like Irish-Americans and Irish people; eg, the war we had here over my page on the Irish famine. Irish-Americans tend to have a rather black and white analysis, based around '700 years of British oppression' 'British genocide in Ireland' etc, whereas Irish people tend to cringe at what is perceived as their simplistic and frequently dubious theories. Whereas we see Irish Americans as rather poorly informed on Ireland, believing in simplistic theories of 'gaelic-speaking catholic-speaking Ireland' and coming to Ireland wearing green blazers to sing republican songs in tourist pubs and kiss the Blarney stone, they see the native Irish as 'puppets of British rule', 'west-brits' and 'traitors' (Or tories, as I was called in Wiki once), who are betraying their motherland, nationalism and catholicism.

A gang of friends of mine once 'freaked out' some green clad Irish-Americans by claiming how Ireland was about to rejoin the commonwealth, how we would accept the Queen as 'Queen of Ireland' and how we wanted to put the famous 'King Billy' statue blown up by the IRA decades ago back, and take down the statue of nationalist hero Thomas Davis that replaced it. - Taking down that statue would be a god-send: it takes Davis look like Frankenstein! - In a final twist, they brought them into a pub, all drank budweiser (to the Americans' horror; they believed everyone in Ireland drank Guinness!) before revealing that they were in a gay bar (true), that they were all gay (false) and that the next president of Ireland may well be a prominent gay senator (possibly true). The yanks probably needed to see their shrinks when they went back states-side! (They should have brought them to Dun Laoghaire, which recently restored a magnificant monument to Queen Victoria that the IRA tried to blow up some years ago!) JTD 02:43 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Good Lord. :[> -'Vert P.s. A sign of the times: Watching music videos without sound. pps: Unless you object - our comments should be copied to the Talk:CM page :]

In your list of quotes, which wikipedia page is "The equations y = f(x) and x = g(y) ..." from? I'll see if I can fix it. -- Tarquin 23:55 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Looks like it's Inverse functions and differentiation. The entire PAGE doesn't make much sense to me, personally, but with my math skills, that's not saying much. -- nknight 01:11 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Nor to me. I think it's all covered elsewhere; and it's not a very good article title either. I'll stick it in a todo list... -- Tarquin 10:00 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
You thought that was weird? When you wrote "...funny because it makes absolutely no sense to me -- none, and I tested out of the math requirements for an English major in college", the part that made no sense to me was "I tested out of the math requirements for an English major in college". I could figure out the mathematical meanings quite easily, but that aside of yours is just crawling with too much US-oriented cultural context for me to make sense of. I have been told what an "English major" is, but I have no idea what "testing out" of requirements for one is. Does it mean you were found to have enough mathematical comprehension beforehand so you didn't need the specialist area? or that you were given the specialist area and passed it? or what? PML.
Yes, I'm trying to confuse all non-Americans. I have a dastardly plan... It just means I had to take a test to see where I should start taking math classes in college (a placement test) and my score was just barely high enough to place me in classes which I didn't need to take because I wasn't studying math. Hope that clarifies things... Tuf-Kat

I plan to start my musical career tommorrow. I think I'll play the armonica. Susan Mason

Hey there: Thanks for fixing the name of When Stella Got Her Groove Back to How Stella Got Her Groove Back. If it's a good fix, I dont mind so dont worry about it.

Thanks, and God bless you!

Sincerely yours,

So has my Coolness Quotient gone up now? ;) I haven't met anyone famous myself, but my sister has met Leeroy from The Prodigy, just as a bit more family-related name dropping... :) My sister was friends with an unsigned Essex-based band called Real TV, which split up a few years ago. Apparently Leeroy is now doing some work with Johnny out of Real TV, so I think that's how my sister got to meet him. According to this page, Kieron from Real TV has also worked with The Prodigy. Is it okay to write about unsigned bands here, by the way? I might try to interrogate my sister and try to write something about Real TV, but I'm not sure how easily verifiable the information would be, since they never became very famous, except locally. -- Oliver P. 11:03 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

Oh, and she's spoken to Liam Howlett on the telephone, too, having got his telephone number from my dad, who got it from Liam's stepmother, who worked as a receptionist in my dad's surgery at the time... :) At the time, my sister wanted to become a sound recordist after she left school, and so she asked Mr. Howlett if she could do work experience for him. It never happened, though... -- Oliver P. 11:12 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

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thanks for the changes to the rocksteady page (dunno how i missed the ampersand..!) my first page, woohoo. just found wikipedia, incredible site! --jonsed

Hope this is the right place; I ran across the Suicidal Tendencies page that has every album linked to an article with just a track listing. Since this seemed to be contrary to guidelines I thought I'd mention it to someone who knows more about the music project.... Catherine

Fair enough -- if only we could motivate them to add more. I'm a fanatic about certain bands myself, but I don't think 'every' album deserves a writeup. Catherine

I made some major changes to the Family article, which involved a major re-write of your most recent contribution. I thought you were adding useful content, but which had real NPOV issues. I tried to address that, but I hope I didn't leave out any of the useful content you put in, and I hope my change isn't too confusing... Slrubenstein

Hey, TUF -- Not disagreeing with you, but where do you get your info on Frankie Lymon's death? imdb (which, I know, isn't the ultimate authority) has him dying on February 27. -- Zoe

Sorry Tuf. I was reverting the IP user who added something all in CAPS -- or at least I thought I was. -- Tarquin 14:12 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Check out the new Roots CD when you get a chance. Well worth a listen.

If somebody doesn't beat me to it, I'll try to do an article onSoap in a couple of days. -- Zoe

Hey, TUF, has Best of Soap: Who Killed Peter and The Best of Soap - Jessica's Wonderful Life on VHS, but I don't see anywhere that has a complete set. -- Zoe

OK, TUF, I took a crack at Soap (sitcom). Let me know what you think. -- Zoe

Hey TUF -- thanks for the words of support! JHK (the occasional lurker)

Hey,Tuffy! Can you look at Ira Hayes? I added a song quote, but I'm wondering what people think in terms of copyright problems. Thanks. (btw, saw Bowie and Ray Davies last week, doing a duet of Waterloo Sunset"--incredible!) Danny

Thanks! Danny

Check out Talking Timbuktu by Ali Farka Toure and Ry Cooder, if you haven't already.

Hey, TUF. Any possibility we can change Saturday Night Live soundtrack to either Saturday Night Live (soundtrack) or Saturday Night Live (album)? Has this been discussed on the Wikipedia albums page? -- Zoe

Thanks. I did a search, and they were the only two not already redirected. -- Zoe

Hi, I saw you were uploading some album covers (and very nice too) - I take it there is some agreement we can do this under fair use without getting people freaked out about copyright? I'd love to do a few but was not sure who to ask, hope you don;t mind? Thanks Nevilley 08:33 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

Yee-ha! Thanks! :) Nevilley 09:40 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

Appreciate the additions to MTV Unplugged in New York. -- Ô¿Ô

Oh, and since you know a fair bit about fair use... there are some pictures of various filmmakers and actors I'd like to upload, that currently reside on IMDB. Are they okay to upload? -- Ô¿Ô 09:05 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

What's up with the self-redirecting article about rocks? Is it just a test of Wikipedia's ability to handle long-chain redirects, or is there something more to it? --Paul A 06:12 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Tuf-Kat, could you check I've done the right thing with Grammy Awards of 2001? It looks as though list the year as the year the award is given for rather than the year the award is given in. So, for example, they list the 44th Awards as 2001, although they were given out in 2002. That's how I read it all anyway. I've moved the list you did for the 44th awards to Grammy Awards of 2002. I'm going to carry on working on the whole section, but wanted to make sure I'm doing it right first! I hope this makes sense, many thanks for any help -- sannse 19:19 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Tuf-Kat! I just created a writeup on the history of the Rio album; was checking "what links here" to make sure there were no ambiguous links (to Rio de Janeiro, or whatever), and saw you had this album on your top 40! Would you mind having a look? Should I add more about the music, the individual tracks? Critical reviews? The videos -- since they were crucial to the success of this album? I've been doing a lot of wiki-work and not getting much feedback... just want to know if I'm on the right track. Thanks! Catherine 01:05 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)

TUF, do you have plans for adding information about alternative versions of albums? I'm thinking in particular that there was another version of 3 Years, 5 Months & 2 Days in the Life Of... that had extra tracks on it. -- Zoe

Check out,,1076520,00.html?src=search

That only includes the same sixteen tracks as allmusic. Tuf-Kat
"Mr. Wendal (Perfecto Mix)" doesn't show up in the listing you posted. -- Zoe

Re: diff error for One-hit wonders in the United States; it looks like the page was renamed between the time you loaded Recentchanges and the time you clicked the diff link. This turned that page from being an article with many revisions to being a redirect page with no past revisions, making a diff on its single revision impossible. The error message is a sort of 'this should never happen' -- which it wouldn't if nobody ever changed pages. ;) A diff link would never be generated in RC for a page with no past revisions... but a page can suddenly have no past revisions after it previously did. The error should probably be clarified to explain wherein the problem lies and guess probably methods of recourse. --Brion 21:22 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, could you take a look at Animal Rights and do your magic to it? Thanks, Koyaanis Qatsi

While your at it, Wish You Were Here could use a dose of magic too. Danny

The blatantly POV article at Wish You Were Here is fixed. Animal Rights wasn't quite as bad, plus I hate Moby for his rush to sell-out so I'm very unfamiliar with it, but I did my best to add some actual, neutral information. Tuf-Kat

BTW, I'm really attempting to make Wikipedia's popular music section useful and interesting. I'm making multiple stubs in the hopes of preventing uselessly POV articles like what was at Wish You Were Here (oodles of Barrett fans would disagree with virtually every word of the original). I know they're stubs and sometimes seem useless, but I'd rather have a factual stub to redirect to than useless POV stubs or absolutely nothing. People are more likely to add a fact or two to a stub than write an entire article. I encourage people to do as Danny and KQ have done and point out crappy pseudo-stubs for me to fix -- I may not fix them immediately, as my job and other issues are keeping me busy, but I will get around to them eventually. If an article doesn't have an album cover, some properly wikified introduction, a track listing and personnel list, please let me know here on my talk page. Tuf-Kat

Yeh, Moby's an odd one about the Animal Rights debacle. Such cavalier hypocrisy, though I think it's a fine album. Anyway, that was my crappy pseudo-stub you're criticizing. ^_^ Thanks for looking at it.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

So you are eloquence clashing in re-Michaeling a page! I had the same experience, a clash with someone else a couple of days ago. I guess it is a wiki version of blue on blue. (I wonder if we told him Michael was stockpiling chemical weapons, could we get Bush to bomb him? Or worse, forcefeed Michael with 24 hours of non-stop Donald Rumsfeld news conferences!!! STÓD/ÉÍRE 03:44 Apr 3, 2003 (UTC)

Actually that may be against the Geneva Convention. STÓD/ÉÍRE 03:45 Apr 3, 2003 (UTC)

(Reverted to last edit by Michael)

Never thought I'd see THAT one. :) -- goatasaur

When I was a third level student I edited a college magazine. My absolute pet hate was people who wrote about music, because they all conformed to the one set of semi-literate clichés. Rock, folk, traditional, classical - each side had their own set of clichés which they repeated ad nausaum. Then I picked up music magazines and realised they relied on the same clichés too; a mixture of no comprehension of grammar, spelling or sentence structure with wild hyperbole and a conviction that band A or B had worked out the meaning of life and were the most important life form ever created. Reading Michael reminds me of that - the inarticulate trying to be articulate through music clichés, parroting the 'style' but without understanding enough to know how to do it to even pass level. One or two were even as bad at Michael at it. In used to groan every Tuesday (at 10.15am) the first of the music 'writers' (alleged) would arrive with their usual inarticulate scripple and think they had written the King James Bible and be perplexed by I could not use it and I desparately rang around pleading with anyone I knew to submit something so I could say 'sorry, Greg/Ciaran/Jonas/Anna/Francine (the fucking awful five) no space. I've someone writing about the outer moon on Jupiter, Ronald Reagan's hair-dye, Margaret Thatcher's electric razor, anything to keep the musical crap out. And of course if you re-wrote it to confirm to thinks like spellings, full stops, words (!!!) they would look at you with horror, as if you philistine had destroyed their 'Hamlet'. In the end I lost it one day with one particularly awful writer (I can lose it sometimes!!!) who produced 1,100 words of a review that broke just about every rule of grammar ever known, and bollocked him. He now writes for a mainstream rock magazine, and still doesn't know what to do with full stops. STÓD/ÉÍRE 04:26 Apr 3, 2003 (UTC)

I added a space in front of each line in the chart forcing it to use the <pre> tag. I've seen you do it with other album articles, so I thought I'd fix it for you (a mere oversight on your part). Before that, it was a jumbled mess: [2]. -- Notheruser 01:11 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Nice work on your latest band additions. Kingturtle 01:37 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

  • For many years now, I have been compiling information on shows and bands in Santa Cruz, take a look [3] . The difficult part has been that I was the only one who could edit and post information. It would work much better if bands could post their own information and their own shows. I simply don't have the time to keep up with it all. Kingturtle 02:21 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Hi TK, A bit of advice. Don't even try to talk to Susan Mason and reason with her. Just about everyone I know has come away pulling their hair out. People have left wiki over 'her'. Two of her alter egos, Lir and Vera Cruz, have been banned. Her infamous technique is to generate up a conversation, not listen to a single word you say, or even more infamously misrepresent it, then go and do the very thing you are trying to convince her not to do, very often while you are on the talk page answering yet more idiotic questions from her, er him. His name is actually Adam. Mav has the full details. If you thought Michael was a pain in the butt, he was a rank amateur compared to Adam. RK can tell stories of dealing with Susan under her 'Dietary Fiber' persona, 172 of experiences with 'Vera'.

Personally, I don't know why someone who has been banned twice and about whose identity there is no mystery (they even know the full name of the man behind it!), as well as someone with the history of Dietary Fiber, Susan Mason, Vera Cruz and Lir, is let be on wiki at all. When DF came on a couple of weeks ago, there were a few days of good work, so much so that a lot of us, myself included, decided to ignore past experiences and give them a clean slate. That lasted about three days before DF ended up being called a liar who was fabricating stuff by RK who indicated he never ever wanted to have anything to do with her again. After being told that her conduct was being watched, DF disappeared and SM 'returned' and has been causing chaos ever since. Tonight, having mucked up a simple two line paragraph on the history of the USSR and refused to accept the obvious muck up was wrong (I'd written the original; her very badly worded version created the wrong impression) and having had to be constantly reverted by myself and 172, she went to James I (where I had done some work some hours before) which she promptly mucked up - by ignoring agreed naming rules for british royalty (but then she did try to get us to change every list to {surname, first name}, tried to change get us to change hundreds of references to elections to her choice of way (both were voted down easily, after she tried unilaterally to move some things) and this week's biggie, abandon agreed naming conventions to do things her way!!!). When James I was protected, she went and screwed up Charles I. And God knows what page 'Susan' is messing with now.

The thing is, Adam obviously has talent, but such an ego that no-one can get through to him to tell him to stop acting the prick. Everyone has tried and just about everyone has given up in frustration. So I would not try to have a serious talk with 'Susan'; it has been tried and tried and tried and tried, with the one result - the person coming away screaming 'aaaaaaah!' in frustration as your words are (presumably deliberately) mis-understood, misquoted, misrepresented and thrown back at you, to the common reponse 'But I didn't say that'. That's my experience, 172's, Deb's, Zoe's, Mav aint a fan, RK openly calls her a liar, etc etc STÓD/ÉÍRE 08:19 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Reefer Madness, of course! Tell your children! Koyaanis Qatsi

Can you change "four" to "five" on Wikipedia:Administrators? There are 5 developers. Koyaanis Qatsi

thanks for redirect tip. I'm not a computer buff, so that wouldn't have occured to me otherwise. jimfbleak

Hey, TUF, re Ten (album) - what order are those albums in? -- Zoe

you're a conspirator, TUF.  :-P Koyaanis Qatsi

"Did you move Nevermind the Bollocks... to its current location, with capital thes and no punctuation? If so, are you sure that's right? Ordinarily, the isn't capitalized and I though there was a semicolon or comma or something between bollocks and here's. Tuf-Kat"

Possibly- IIRC correctly I started up an article on NMTB, then realised that one already existed and so merged the two at one of the pages (can't remeber which). It's hard to tell what the 'correct' capitalisation of the title is as on the cover it's all capitalised. Feel free to make the redirect go the other way... I havn't got alot of time to spend at the wiki just at the moment, Cheers quercus robur 07:12 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you knew of any bands that are like Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down in the leftist nu metal sense. I tried Dead Prez, The Coup, NWA, and Public Enemy, hoping rap would fill the void, but it's not the same. Any suggestions? Thanks, Notheruser 16:42 Apr 27, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions; I'll give them a listen (hopefully one will pan out). -- Notheruser

Hi TUF-KAT. Would you mind taking a look at Johnny Rebel. I don't know enough about this area to do anything with it, but something needs to be done there, I think. Thanks. Tannin 10:32 Apr 28, 2003 (UTC)

Never mind - Danny already took care of it. Tannin

I believe you are a man who appreciates some treasures on this planet. Take a look at the lady on the right at Parlez-moi d'amour.

Meow. Question for you at Talk:List_of_rock_and_roll_albums. Thanks. Evercat 23:54 May 13, 2003 (UTC)

Um... any chance you can delete Image:AliceInChains-Dirt.jpg for me? For some reason I ended up putting in another page on Dirt without noticing yours Jimregan 20:33 15 May 2003 (UTC)

Scratch that - Sannse and Minesweeper got in and fixed it. Jimregan 20:58 15 May 2003 (UTC)

Notheruser pointed me towards your post. I'm not subscribed right now and I don't have your email address (and you haven't provided one in your prefs). Anyway, here's hoping you have a good time and stay safe, and come back.  :-) Best wishes, Koyaanis Qatsi 06:39 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

No, I didn't really have much more to say. ... BTW, it still tells me you haven't indicated an email address. Koyaanis Qatsi

The stuff you're writing on the music of various countries is just fantastic! Are you using any particular sources, or is the stuff just coming out of your head? What I know about the Music of Martinique and Guadeloupe could be written on the back of an unusually small postage stamp... --Camembert

Mine too, but I'd have to have a dry magic marker to write it with. Koyaanis Qatsi 23:08 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hey Stan, you're not going to like this but I have found a big problem with zillions of wikipedia pages. Those dealing with fictional characters! As fictional characters are fantasy, why are they allowed on wikipdedia. When I looked at Stan it says "The first three verses are delivered by Stan, with the third actually being spoken in the car itself as he is about to drive off a bridge." I am sure if this were true then Eminiem would have been arrested for making a snuff record. So Stan is not a fictional character, but a real person "in the car itself". I think I better warn Tuf-Kat that you are on the warpath .Harry Potter 22:20 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)

New article needing much attention at American roots music. ^_^ thanks, Koyaanis Qatsi 02:02 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick. sorry for the edit conflict, I didn't expect you to be there that soon.  :-) Anyway, I'm quite done for now; I'd have to do serious research to add as much as you just did, apparently from ready knowledge. Koyaanis Qatsi 02:21 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Sure, not a problem. Did you want a user talk:Tokerboy archive 2 or something else? Or add it to the first one? Koyaanis Qatsi 02:28 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)